New York – Acapella Music and the Three Weeks

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    fileNew York – During this period of the “Three Weeks” that begins this Thursday and will last until the day after Tisha B’Av we observe various aspects of mourning. In Hebrew the period is called Bain HeMetzarim, based upon the verse in Aicha (1:3) – All her oppressors have taken over her – Bain HaMetzarim – within the straits. During this time, both the first and the second Bais HaMikdash were destroyed, as well as a number of other serious tragedies. On Shabbosim during this period, we read Haftoras that deal specifically with the destruction and the golus. It is a period where we minimize Simcha – joy. We hold no weddings, we do not take haircuts or shave, we do not make a Shehecheyanu on new foods or clothing (except on Shabbos), and we do not listen to music.

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    Ah, but what type of music? Is it only live music that we may not listen to, or is music that is taped,CDed, or MP3ed also forbidden? And if CDs, tapes, and MP3s are forbidden, what about those that were recorded with no instruments? The so-called “Sefira tapes” are they really permitted?

    Before we get to the answers to these questions, let’s try to delve into why the Bais HaMikdash was destroyed. The Ran, on the Gemorah in Nedarim 81a tells us that it was because the Jewish people, although they learned Torah, did not hold it in the esteem and reverence that it should have been held. In a certain way, they viewed Torah as merely another branch of knowledge, not realizing its true character and uniqueness. They lacked in true Kavod HaTorah. The Gemorah (Megillah 3b) tells us that honoring Torah is in a certain sense even greater than studying Torah.

    Now back to the question – are the tapes permitted or forbidden?

    If the tapes were recorded with music, most Poskim ruled that they are to be treated like musical instruments (See responsa Maharshag Vol. II # 125; Responsa Yad Yitzchok 322; responsa Salmas Chaim #888; Kovaitz Bais Aharon VeYisroel Vol. 65 p. 108 citing Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach zatzal). There is a minority view that any tapes are permitted. However, this view has been rejected by the majority of Poskim.

    Some Poskim hold to the view that the tape recorder itself is viewed as a musical instrument in and of itself, and even if there were no musical instruments played when the recording was made, it is forbidden because the tape recorder itself is considered the instrument. This view was stated by a number of Poskim including Rav Menashe Klein author of the Mishnah Halachos responsa.

    There are a few questions that one can ask on this view and that is, how is it any worse than singing through the mouth? Also, there is no skill or talent involved in playing a tape recorder (at least for most people), how could it be considered music?

    Some report that the position of Moreinu Rav Elyashiv, shlita is that tapes that were recorded without musical accompaniment are permitted during the three weeks and Sefira and that the theory that the tape recorder is a musical instrument in and of itself is erroneous. Lest the gentle reader think that this is merely an unsubstantiated oral ruling, the provenance of the ruling is rather clear. It is printed in the Sefer of Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach’s grandson, Rav Tuvya Freund shlita entitled “Shalmei Moed” on p. 453 footnote 40. The sefer has haskamos from Rav Azriel Auerbach Shlita, Rav Zalman Nechemia Goldberg, Rav Yehoshua Neuwirth (of Shmiras Shabbos KeHilchasa) with a Michtav Bracha of Rav Shmuel Auerbach. This position was also that of Moreinu HaRav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach, zatzal.

    Thus, according to this, both Rav Shlomo Zalman and ylc”a Rav Elyashiv hold that tapes with music are forbidden, while tapes of singing without music are permitted both during sefirah and during the three weeks.

    However, and this is a big however. According to Rav Dovid Morgenstern (as told to me by Rav Morgenstern) it seems that this question was posed to Rav Elyashiv on Sefira (5765) by a grandson of Rav Elyashiv. Rav Elyashiv repeated his and explanation answer (in Rav Morgenstern’s presence) five times. He said that it was clearly forbidden because the tape recorder is considered to be a musical instrument. Clearly, (and unfortunately) we have a contradiction between Rav Freund and Rav Morgenstern as to Rav Elyashiv’s position.

    Admittedly, there will be frustration at not having absolute clarity as to what Rav Elyashiv holds. However, each person should listen to the view of their own Posek or Rav, and we should bear in mind that not treating the Torah views of our Torah leaders, Rabbinim, and Poskim in a respectful manner was the initial cause of the prohibition in the first place.

    We should also bear in mind that when we listen to the music, it should be Leshaim Shamayim -to bring us closer to Avinu SheBashamayim.

    As a parenthetic note, the very term “a capella” is something that should perhaps be avoided. The phrase was first used in Catholic churches where Latin was the language used for prayer- the Latin meaning is “in the style of the chapel.” Rav Moshe Feinstein YD II #56 writes in a responsa that music used in the formulation of prayer to an Avodah Zarah should not be used –even if the tunes are no longer utilized. Indeed, he even rejected music used by gentiles to the words of Tehillim, because the prima facie assumption is that it is Avodah Zarah. The first edition of the Levush before it was attacked by the gentile censors makes a similar point. Although merely use of the term may not be equivalent to music, we may be better off if we call it Sefirah music. [The term “Academy”, also has a similar origin, but perhaps because of its near universal use it may have been koshered].

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    14 years ago

    Does anyone know if the music hanigun shblev from eliezer rosenfeld is allowed in the 3 weeks ?

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    To be honest, I heard of many many t”c who are of the opinion that to say a CD or other similar devices should be forbidden is very not smart. Because in our generation it’s a way of life everything today is combined with music. But in the previous generations it was most of the time heard only on special occasions. (even at home give away special time to play with the instrument) I think that we need fair discussion about the consapt.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    The article is a bit confusing to the layperson….I read it to say that a tape recorder itself is assur since it takes on the attributes of a musical instrument. What about a tape recorder used to play a dvar torah etc. I assume that as long as there is no music being played, it is mutar. Also, is it ok to shop in stores where they play background music. What about the music that plays when you get put on “hold” when calling just about any business today? obviously, you can’t just hang up and redial because you will get the same music until a real person answers.

    Has anyone dealt with this issue.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    Rav Moshe paskened that you could listen to a CD but not to a tape or record because of the difference in how common it was. That psak probably is no longer valid because CDs are even more commonplace than they were back then

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    The article says nothing about music on an I-Pod or I-Phone so there may be options for using these new platforms that stay within the minhag of avoiding music during the 3 weeks.

    Confused
    Confused
    14 years ago

    I don’t mean this to sound in any way disrespectful. I am truly confused by Rav Elyashiv’s (shlita) opinion according to Rav Morgenstern. If, indeed, a “tape recorder is considered to be a musical instrument,” why can we listen to lectures and shiurim during sefira and the three weeks? Or can we?…

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    How about listening to sad, depressing music? Wouldn’t that be better?

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    Why can’t we refrain from all music for three weeks? How spoiled do we need to be?

    A YID
    A YID
    14 years ago

    I heard from my roshyeshiva he never said it was asar he said that chas vshalom if one of the 7 niftar’s which to them u cant hear music for them for a year you wold not even want to listen to those acappela cd’s and in our case we are mourning of the bieshamkdash which is 3 week’s we need to make big thing about it the answer is by people who understand they would not listen to those acappela cd’s during the 3 weeks . happy fasting think it over

    A
    A
    14 years ago

    “However, each person should listen to the view of their own Posek or Rav, and we should bear in mind that not treating the Torah views of our Torah leaders, Rabbinim, and Poskim in a respectful manner was the initial cause of the prohibition in the first place.”

    Hypocrite!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Was what he wrote on the psak of Harav Eliyahu just two days ago in any way keeping with this?
    (Emphasis on the respect, i have no problem with him for difference of opinion)

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    I don’t understand. Rav Elyashiv is alive and well — why doesn’t someone just ask him what he really thinks???

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    The only clear heter for listening to tapes are for shiiruim, daf yomi lectures, etc.

    Snag
    Snag
    14 years ago

    What’s all this shtissim about how we interpret different oral traditons about R’ Elyashiv thinks on the issue.

    Ask him!

    Linguist Francae
    Linguist Francae
    14 years ago

    Acapella: the same root used for the common Jewish name Kaplan, Caplan, Koplin, Koplen, Chaplain, etc. meaning “Priest”. A name of Cohanim.

    jewish music
    jewish music
    14 years ago

    all this music that they play is not jewish music by just puting on some jewish word dose not make it jewish music, so jewish music says only jewish music you my not listen to all this so called music you can listen to including the 3 weeks 9 days all the time and brake a leg

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    I was directed by Rav Marlowe o.b.m. of Kehillas Lubavitch in Crown Heights not to listen to any music whatsoever during the Three Weeks . . . live, recorded, Jewish . . . none.

    I miss him.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    #13 – If you reread his article on Rav Eliyahu – he was most respectful. [Plus – many elderly rabbonim have said the same thing as he did] You on the other hand have violated hamechaneh shaim rah lechaveiro.. And by the way, did any Rav any tell you that you can sit there on the internet and name call a Rav a hypocrite?? Somehow, I doubt it..

    Shimon Max
    Shimon Max
    14 years ago

    Would Rav Hoffman Shlita consider a possible answer to the Stira that Rav Elyashiv (and possibly Hagoan Rav Minashe Klein) that there are two Dinim in recorded “Sfira Music” one that bangs and uses mouth sounds that mimics music but is not quite music and one that the singer just sings.

    Alan
    Alan
    14 years ago

    As A person whose whole like working and non working has been dedicated to music, I asked my Rav for his opinion about my job as a classical music radio DJ. My primary task was to listen and present music to the audience and I could not afford to quit or take a leave of absence. As my primary task was for parnossah, he told me to continue, Any pleasure and satisfaction was incidental to doing my work and as long as I refrained from listening to music for the pure pleasure outside work it was ok.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    why do we need to listen to music during the three weeks–CHURBAN HABAYIS!!!!!

    Lipa Fan
    Lipa Fan
    14 years ago

    Do not ban Lipa’s music, as this is a work of art, and alot of talent goes into it.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    “Clearly, (and unfortunately) we have a contradiction between Rav Freund and Rav Morgenstern as to Rav Elyashiv’s position.”

    Did no one ever hear of a telephone…Pick up the phone and call the rav and say, “can frumme yidden listen to tapes of singing without music, Yes or No”. I’m sure the rav would answer. Why do all these rabbonim waste everyon’e time time arguing what Rav Eliyashv did say, didn’t say, might have said etc. Just ask him!!

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    There is Definitely a difference how we view music today.

    Wherever you go there is music playing. Subconsciouly we live with music most of our day.

    I work in a place where goyishe music is played all day. Am I not allowed to listen to kosher music instead?

    I know my situation is different, but my point is that music nowadays is not merely for pleasure.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    Okay, listen. If a person is really upset about something, is really in mourning, is really sad, they’re not going to WANT to listen to music, get their hair cut, or go to a party. So this whole conversation really angers me. If you’re upset about the Bait HaMikdash, then don’t listen to any kind of music. If you’re not, then does it really matter? A capella, instrumental, live…it doesn’t matter because you’re only doing letter of the law and not spirit of the law. If you have to ask, you’re not doing what you should be doing.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    #36 said
    “If you have to ask, you’re not doing what you should be doing.”
    You are not of the opinion that it is important to have a clear understanding of the details of halacha?

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    Here’s another spin on things: what about the synthesizer that most of them use to make their voices sound like real instruments? I see absolutely no difference halachikly between the synthesizer/computer and a real instrument.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    Several words, such as zeal, atlas, volcano, cereal, and names of planets come from the names of Greek or Roman “gods”-maybe those words shouldn’t be used either. The word “office” originally meant church service.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    I like R’ Hoffman, but this piece offered no insight, it was really weak, my 14 year old son could have written this.

    SimchaB
    SimchaB
    14 years ago

    Rav Chaim P. Sheinberg shlita publicly stated in a shiur in Bklyn about a dozen years ago that it’s mutar to listen to classical music during sefira as the issur is only on dance music.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    As usual, these comments are filled with the same old tough guy talk from the chumra bullies. In these hard times, I believe this is one area to be quite lenient. We all need more simcha in our lives, and to the extent that music brings you simcha, go for it. If Hashem doesn’t like the way we are treating his days of mourning, then He should come quickly and take them away!

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    Rav Menashe Zer klien writes in his Mshuneh Halachos, tipshus.